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* Furthermore, the "themes" listed are, with the exception of "sexual themes as omnious and threatening," not themes ''per se,'' but stylistic characteristics.  It's also questionable whether they are common in Joyce or Gregor Samsa's writing.
 
* Furthermore, the "themes" listed are, with the exception of "sexual themes as omnious and threatening," not themes ''per se,'' but stylistic characteristics.  It's also questionable whether they are common in Joyce or Gregor Samsa's writing.
** ''"Tendency to narrate little action by using many words"'' certainly does not apply to '''Dubliners''' or '''Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.'''  I'd say where it occurs in '''Ulysses''' it's a function of one of Joyce's appropriations of a pre-existing prose style (e.g., The Oxen of the Sun chapter) or creations of a new style appropriate to the material (e.g., Sirens chapter, where the narration is meant to imitate countrapunctal music).  In the case of Gregor Samsa's fan fiction, that much of it is script fic makes this characterization highly questionable.
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** ''"Tendency to narrate little action by using many words"'' certainly does not apply to '''Dubliners''' or '''Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.'''  I'd say where it occurs in '''Ulysses''' it's a function of one of Joyce's appropriation of a pre-existing prose style (e.g., The Oxen of the Sun chapter) or creation of a new style appropriate to the material (e.g., Sirens chapter, where the narration is meant to imitate countrapunctal music).  In the case of Gregor Samsa's fan fiction, that much of it is script fic makes this characterization highly questionable.
 
** ''"Purposeful genreswitching, or genrebending"''  '''Ulysses''' certainly does this, but I can't think of a single fic by Gregor Samsa that switches genres mid-stream, unless you count [[The Waste La(w)nd]], and that's questionable because it follows the shifts in Eliot's "The Waste Land."
 
** ''"Purposeful genreswitching, or genrebending"''  '''Ulysses''' certainly does this, but I can't think of a single fic by Gregor Samsa that switches genres mid-stream, unless you count [[The Waste La(w)nd]], and that's questionable because it follows the shifts in Eliot's "The Waste Land."
 
** ''"Excessive use of stream of consciousness technique"'' Again, '''Ulysses''' certainly does this, but the only Dariafics by Gregor Samsa with this characteristic are his crossovers with '''Ulysses''' and '''The Sound and the Fury.''' ("The Sound and the QB")
 
** ''"Excessive use of stream of consciousness technique"'' Again, '''Ulysses''' certainly does this, but the only Dariafics by Gregor Samsa with this characteristic are his crossovers with '''Ulysses''' and '''The Sound and the Fury.''' ("The Sound and the QB")
 
In sum, I think this whole category needs to be rethought.  It might be more illuminating (and inclusive) to consider Dariafic authors who allude to canonical authors, but then the list becomes quite long. —[[User:ScissorsMacGillicutty|ScissorsMacGillicutty]] 13:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
 
In sum, I think this whole category needs to be rethought.  It might be more illuminating (and inclusive) to consider Dariafic authors who allude to canonical authors, but then the list becomes quite long. —[[User:ScissorsMacGillicutty|ScissorsMacGillicutty]] 13:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
 
I added this category only because I noticed that the three of us use Joyce as an inspiration quite deliberately and often. If Gregor Samsa isn't happy with it either I might delete it. Some of the clauses apply to my own writing, however; Tiffany's chapter in "Group Four" is pure stream of consciousness, and my novel is a blatant attempt to emulate ''Ulysses''. I added the disclaimer exactly because not all clauses apply to all of Joyce's work and/or to all of the writers on the list and/or to all of their work.
 
 
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "Where's Mary Sue When You Need Her?", at least partly, about diversion from the subject, and is a bit of a "quest novel" that takes place during one day (or close), the same way ''Ulysses'' is structured? [[Starmeshelion]]
 
 
:I recall Gregor Samsa saying in chat that he did not want to be labeled as a "Joycean Lord." --[[User:Quiverwing|Quiverwing]] 16:18, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
 
 
:: "Where's Mary Sue" takes place within a day for the narrator and author of "Fodder Figure," (chapter 7, aka "Once at Lawndale") but several days for Daria, ''et al.,'' so it's  not equivalent to the single day time frame of '''Ulysses'''.  The real title of Chapter 7, "Once at Lawndale" and the theme of parental betrayal come from William Gaddis' '''A Frolic of His Own''', right down to Jake saying that he's been lied to all his life (to say nothing of the explicit quotes from the novel in that chapter).
 
 
That's why I wrote "Joycean Writers", as I didn't want to offend anyone. If Gregor Samsa isn't happy with the entry, I will delete it.
 
 
--[[User:Starmeshelion|Starmeshelion]] 16:24, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
 

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