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The episode's title is derived from the novel ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Was_Then,_This_Is_Now That Was Then, This Is Now]'' by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._E._Hinton S.E. Hinton] |
The episode's title is derived from the novel ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Was_Then,_This_Is_Now That Was Then, This Is Now]'' by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._E._Hinton S.E. Hinton] |
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This episode portrayed a visit to the Morgendorfer's residence by old friends of [[Jake Morgendorffer|Jake]] and [[Helen Morgendorffer|Helen]] from their counterculture days, [[Coyote Yeager|Coyote]] and [[Willow Yeager]]. The Yeagers, and their disaffected "slacker" son [[Ethan Yeager|Ethan]], have been attempting to keep the spirit of the 60s alive, driving around in an old Volkswagon van, replacing their dog (named for Timothy Leary) with identical dogs with the same name, refusing to allow their son to participate in athletics, earning a living by selling hemp products, and in general attempting to live in a manner that Daria characterizes as "voluntary simplicity"—which phrase [[Trent Lane|Trent]] astutely says "sounds better than broke". Helen and Jake quickly grow morose that they've given up on their youthful ideals, sold out, and become "[[The Man (concept)|the Man]]". |
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The Morgendorffers prepare to receive a couple of old friends for the weekend, the Yagers. Having shared their counterculture ideals during the hippie years, Helen is eager to make a good impression. When they arrive, [[Willow Yeager|Willow]] and [[Coyote Yeager]] show to still retain a mellowed attitude and to be living according to the 60s hippie subculture. Daria is unease around the guests and sneaks off to the Lane’s, bribing her sister to keep the guests company. Quinn, initially reluctant to stay, changes her mind with the appearance the Yeager’s son [[Ethan Yeager|Ethan]]. |
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In the course of the episode, [[Quinn Morgendorffer|Quinn]] and [[Daria Morgendorffer|Daria]] learn about their parents' stay in jail during the 60s, and the post-hippie family will learn that there is more to like than dislike in modern life (golf and frozen bagels, for example). |
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At the Morgendorffers, the adults reminisce about old times, talking about the time spent in the youth in a commune. At the same time, the Yeagers show bafflement at the Morgendorffer’s more modern lifestyle and aggressive attitude, in contrast to the yeagers’ still Hippie habbits: they make a living of selling hemp products, are vegetarians and put no pressure on their son to succeed athletically. Their comments and presence make Helen and Jake feel unease and guilty that they've given up on their youthful ideals and have sold out. |
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At the Lane’s, Trent and Jess excitedly play old vinyl records, in preparation to sell them at a local flea market the next day. The two young men recruit Jane and Daria to come along. Jane enthusiastically agrees, again playing yenta to her embarrassed friend. Daria uses this plans to stay the night at Jane’s, despite her mother’s initial objections. They all leave early the next day and occupy an empty cubicle in the flea market to display the records. Both young men quickly fall asleep, having stayed up all night to make sure to be up at six a.m. |
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At the next day at the Morgendorffers, Helen and Jake have felt their friend’s comments and try to compensate, with Jake growing a beard and Helen reluctantly cooking breakfast. As the day goes on, however, both Coyote and Willow slowly reveal frustration with their lifestyle, including having to keep repairing their old car, wasting time kneading bread, poor hygiene habits and having to buy food in bulk. The Morgendorffers are then in a position to help: Jake provides golf lessons and business advice, and Helen presents Willow with ways to preserve food and save time cooking. |
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Meanwhile, at the Lane’s cubicle in the Flea Market, business is going slow until [[Upchuck]] visits and charms his way into becoming a salesman. As he stays long enough to sell some records, Jane leaves him in charge while the rest of the party go for a snack: Daria and Trent comment about the Yeagers’ hippie lifestyle as they it at the food court; Jane offers some views on consumerism to an apparently oblivious Jesse as both go get sodas. Returning to the booth, they have an unpleasant surprise at finding it ransacked: Upchuck had been lured away by the prospect of some records for his own he was searching, leaving the booth unattended. |
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As this is happening, Quinn has spent the weekend chasing Ethan, who has ignored her and actively isolates himself and barely talks to anyone in the house. He only begins showing more signs of life after scolding his father for drinking fermented berry juice. He later takes Quinn out for a snack and reveals some past secrets of their parent’s youth. This is later used by the teenagers to escape punishment when Quinn, Daria and Ethan arrive late that evening. |
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The yeagers leave the following morning, pleasant and plased, thanking the Morgendorffers for their help. Quinn laments her lack of success with Ethan while Jake wonders about the need to keep up with times, concluding it is useless to stay stack in the past. |
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==Trent/Daria shipping== |
==Trent/Daria shipping== |
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Revision as of 15:17, 30 September 2011
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| Production Number | 205 |
| Original Airdate | March 16, 1998 |
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| Written By | Anne D. Bernstein |
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"That Was Then, This is Dumb" was the fifth episode of the second season of Daria (episode number 205). It first aired on MTV on March 16, 1998.
"That Was Then, This is Dumb" was written by Anne D. Bernstein.
The episode's title is derived from the novel That Was Then, This Is Now by S.E. Hinton
Plot Summary
The Morgendorffers prepare to receive a couple of old friends for the weekend, the Yagers. Having shared their counterculture ideals during the hippie years, Helen is eager to make a good impression. When they arrive, Willow and Coyote Yeager show to still retain a mellowed attitude and to be living according to the 60s hippie subculture. Daria is unease around the guests and sneaks off to the Lane’s, bribing her sister to keep the guests company. Quinn, initially reluctant to stay, changes her mind with the appearance the Yeager’s son Ethan.
At the Morgendorffers, the adults reminisce about old times, talking about the time spent in the youth in a commune. At the same time, the Yeagers show bafflement at the Morgendorffer’s more modern lifestyle and aggressive attitude, in contrast to the yeagers’ still Hippie habbits: they make a living of selling hemp products, are vegetarians and put no pressure on their son to succeed athletically. Their comments and presence make Helen and Jake feel unease and guilty that they've given up on their youthful ideals and have sold out.
At the Lane’s, Trent and Jess excitedly play old vinyl records, in preparation to sell them at a local flea market the next day. The two young men recruit Jane and Daria to come along. Jane enthusiastically agrees, again playing yenta to her embarrassed friend. Daria uses this plans to stay the night at Jane’s, despite her mother’s initial objections. They all leave early the next day and occupy an empty cubicle in the flea market to display the records. Both young men quickly fall asleep, having stayed up all night to make sure to be up at six a.m.
At the next day at the Morgendorffers, Helen and Jake have felt their friend’s comments and try to compensate, with Jake growing a beard and Helen reluctantly cooking breakfast. As the day goes on, however, both Coyote and Willow slowly reveal frustration with their lifestyle, including having to keep repairing their old car, wasting time kneading bread, poor hygiene habits and having to buy food in bulk. The Morgendorffers are then in a position to help: Jake provides golf lessons and business advice, and Helen presents Willow with ways to preserve food and save time cooking.
Meanwhile, at the Lane’s cubicle in the Flea Market, business is going slow until Upchuck visits and charms his way into becoming a salesman. As he stays long enough to sell some records, Jane leaves him in charge while the rest of the party go for a snack: Daria and Trent comment about the Yeagers’ hippie lifestyle as they it at the food court; Jane offers some views on consumerism to an apparently oblivious Jesse as both go get sodas. Returning to the booth, they have an unpleasant surprise at finding it ransacked: Upchuck had been lured away by the prospect of some records for his own he was searching, leaving the booth unattended.
As this is happening, Quinn has spent the weekend chasing Ethan, who has ignored her and actively isolates himself and barely talks to anyone in the house. He only begins showing more signs of life after scolding his father for drinking fermented berry juice. He later takes Quinn out for a snack and reveals some past secrets of their parent’s youth. This is later used by the teenagers to escape punishment when Quinn, Daria and Ethan arrive late that evening.
The yeagers leave the following morning, pleasant and plased, thanking the Morgendorffers for their help. Quinn laments her lack of success with Ethan while Jake wonders about the need to keep up with times, concluding it is useless to stay stack in the past.
Trent/Daria shipping
Anne Bernstein has said that in this episode, "Trent did catch on that Daria had a thing for him (see the open eyes in "That Was Then")". [1]
Trivia
- Upchuck is searching for a set of "fast food premiums" (the little toys you get free), something Anne D. Bernstein introduced in "The Daria Diaries".
- An explicit date is established: Helen and Jake were at Boulder in August 1969, where they spent a night in jail. Willow and Coyote knew them then, so they presumably went to Middleton College too, as the contemporary "The Daria Database" says Jake & Helen are part of the Class of '72. (See Datedness of Daria)
- Jake, Helen, and the Yeagers once tried to levitate the Pentagon. This is a reference to a real-life "attempt" to do this in October 1967 by Abbie Hoffman and Allen Ginsberg during an anti-war march that was prevented from reaching the building, though the characters aren't part of a larger protest in this flashback. (This is the same march where George Harris famously placed a carnation in a soldier's gun) Whereas Hoffman and Ginsberg were doing guerilla theatre, young Jake actually believes it could be levitated...
- Jane, in trying to get Jesse's attention, states that on April 1, 2007, the various objects people buy would take over civilization.
“That Was Then, This is Dumb” and Fanfic
- Untitled fic by Civanfan explaining how Jane knew about the 2007 apocalypse
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